Ive only just seen the comments you wrote yesterday, Sunday, and again today. As for ES Williams book yes I have heard of it and read several reviews -Im afraid I wont be spending the 30 on a book which just seems to want to attack and tar everyone with the same brush. And whilst there are some who have a tremendously positive influence, I suspect that the majority do more harm than good. 2023 FOX News Network, LLC. You call them out or call them to repentance but see no need to repent yourself. I think it is a good thing that a church grows within a decade from a hundred to 20,000 people and I would love that to happen in Dundee, or Edinburgh. He was unable to preach the second service. Follow TheWeeFlea.com on WordPress.com And not only do they become idlers, but also busybodies who talk nonsense, saying things they ought not to. Hardly the same as Furticks message! "[34] Regarding eternal security, he states, "It should never be presented merely as a matter of being once saved, always savedwith no regard for what you believe or do. If I was a young Christian I know I could have easily been swept along with this stuff it seems such an attractive message, and he is such an attractive man. Pastor / Teacher. You can follow him on Twitter @timothynerozzi and can email him at timothy.nerozzi@fox.com, Get all the stories you need-to-know from the most powerful name in news delivered first thing every morning to your inbox. More a worry that this kind of thing will take deeper root here. This is another attempt to pick a fight with another straw man. The great thing about the Village Church is that they recognised that they had not handled it well and apologised. Im afraid that you are talking about something you do not really know about and picking on one particular church why? However, I was somewhat alarmed by the endorsement of Matt Chandler as a good example of how the gospel should be preached and lived. Wendy Guay's friend, Lisa Ward, was a witness to an attempted abuse by Paul against herself and his own daughter back in 1979. If he has lots of money good for him, if he has a nice home- good for him. Were deeply grateful for that. Quotes displayed in real-time or delayed by at least 15 minutes. Then you will remember your evil ways and your wicked deeds, and you will loathe yourselves for your sins and detestable practices. So I was pleased to see the topic addressed here, particularly as there is another story breaking about Mr Furtick in North Carolina even as I write this. Outwith a Southern US culture it makes no sense and Im not sure that for many of my Southern friends it makes any sense either. Last summer I had the privilege to attend and worship at an Acts 29 church plant in Shepherds Bush, and I pray that God would plant more churches like it across the UK. Thank you for your answer re the mega church your reason for mentioning Dallas Baptist Church favourably is because you know a young man who did some good mission work. Reiterating his stance on 1 Timothy 2:12, he went on to state, "There is no case that can be made biblically for a woman preacher. to this article here https://theweeflea.com/2020/04/22/return-to-elevation/). Your endorsement of Williams book which I have now read is indicative of that. . In 2019, at the Truth Matters Conference, during another word association questionnaire, MacArthur was given the prompt "Beth Moore". document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Enter your email address to subscribe to this blog and receive notifications of new posts by email. John Fullerton MacArthur Jr. (born June 19, 1939) is an American pastor and author known for his internationally syndicated radio program Grace to You. "Because ours is such a free and prosperous society; it is easier for Christians to feel secure by presuming on instead of depending on God's grace." - John MacArthur. Mutual Fund and ETF data provided by Refinitiv Lipper. Paragraph. A prominent elder at John MacArthur's Grace Community Church (GCC) has resigned, stating in email leaked to The Roys Report that his "conscience and convictions" were not aligned with other GCC elders. Sadly, however, there are also times when you use it to bully, abuse and browbeat. I challenged that because I regard these as serious charges and not to made lightly against a Christian brother. John MacArthur is the pastor-teacher of Grace Community Church, as well as an author, conference speaker, chancellor of The Master's University and Seminary, and featured teacher with the Grace to You media ministry. Cho resigned the next day. The young man concerned served for many years as a missionary in South America before returning to the USA to head up the North American Mission Board of the Southern Baptist Convention. Im afraid that the influence of the US mega churches such as Elevation is felt throughout the world. All rights reserved. Your email address will not be published. Its also a nasty wee trick to complain of someone remarks as being provocative, misleading and snide. On top of that, MacArthur also took a salary from Grace Community Church that was "well within the upper-medium range" for California church employees, according to Johnson's 2014 statement. But there is one criticism that I want to deal with in finishing. You state, Name calling really doesnt constitute argument does it? and yet you have no problem with calling me dishonest. Are you happy with its $130 million campus rebuilding campaign? I have no idea if you are particularly legalistic or not but the type of comments you were making, most certainly are. To be really honest, I find it very difficult to muster up any Christian love for you when you respond to people in this way, though I do recognise that this is something I need Gods help with and forgiveness for. The challenge (as you have already pointed out) is to warn and admonish from a place of love, and of course to pray. If I had said that I wasnt happy with any mega church, that would have been a fault as well. Grace Community Church parishioners make their way to Sunday service in Sun Valley on Sept. 13, 2020. If the cap fits.on the other hand if it doesnt then I accept your apology! To reject its claims is to call Him a liar. Each person will answer to God for themselves. But you came on to my blog and posted something which is typical of the new legalists and endorsed a book which attacks gospel preachers such as Keller, Piper and the Proc Trust. An apologist and blogger is claiming that Matt Chandler's sermon was censored during a rebroadcast. So far there has been no evidence given for assertion. L ast week, John MacArthur celebrated 50 years in the pastorate at a conference at his congregation Grace Community Church. . There is no legalism or self-righteous pride in anything I said. "[37], MacArthur is an outspoken critic of same-sex marriage, the ordination of women, the Roman Catholic Church, and the social justice movement. You said he was a great example, I urged caution and pointed to a recent event where he and his church had attracted adverse publicity because of how they handled a particular incident. But again, whilst it is not my style, I dont see why it cant be done well, reverently and to the glory of God. (What a great sales pitch why dont you try it next time David I will even make the trip to Dundee to hear you). David, once again you are making assertions that do not stand scrutiny. Firstly in the teaching. The staff expected to have their concerns heard andconsidered. The biggest threat to the church comes not from fundamentalist atheists or those of another religion, it comes from within. 3) You respond by providing no evidence and say that you are not against mega churches. Their influence has been growing and recently . I hope this is mature and open enough for you! I think youve just answered your own question; how very sad. No pastor should be above reproach, there should be no untouchables in the church; even Peter was rebuked by Paul when it was necessary. Its just name calling which again results in self-justification and does not really contribute to any discussion. You then go to the other extreme and say that I am lumping every mega church together. Finally, I just checked my Amazon app and what do you know, the book I mentioned is still for sale at 3.50 and there are 8 copies left. So when I see money, resources and people being diverted into what appear to be personal vanity projects, branding and corporate Christianity, I weep, am angry and cry out to the Lord. Doubtless it was intended as a joke but I dont think taking a salary of millions more than is necessary to live, work and provide for ones family, is a joke especially when there are hungry children, and many hungry for the Word, who do not receive it because of lack of money. But if the theology and ecclesiology is off, then alarm bells start ringing. 'Changed My Whole Entire Being': Ex-Strip Club Owner Born Again, Now Works to Help Victims of Sex Trafficking, US Cracks Down, Bans TikTok on All Federal Phones. . Whether you are a legalist or not I dont know. [3] MacArthur has written or edited more than 150 books, most notably the MacArthur Study Bible, which has sold more than one million copies, receiving a Gold Medallion Book Award. A decade later, he announced he had retracted this view via an article from Grace to You. I find this very revealing. They are often more concerned about whether they like the music than they are about whether they are hearing the truth. [47] In August 2021, MacArthur told congregants that "many people" had contracted COVID-19 while it "went through" the church in December 2020 and January 2021, including both him and his wife. [42] Furtick responded to this comment in his 2016 book Unqualified: How God Uses Broken People to Do Big Things. 1) There is no name calling followed by misrepresentative, deceitful and sly go figure! I think about it this way would I rather sell a million copies of my books with little fruit, or sell a few hundred of each and yet have those few hundred profoundly affect and change the lives of many? This following sermon was full of what can only be called psychobabble. On February 9, 1969, he was hired as the third and youngest pastor at the nondenominational Grace Community Church of Sun Valley, California. The southern baptist convention of which he has been a part has distanced themselves from his ministry in the past year. 38, 31-32). Its a nasty wee trick to try and shut someone up by complaining that they always try and have the last word if they reply then of course you are proved right and can feel self-justified. But, thank God, I have been able to study the bible for 50 years and, although I acknowledge that I have probably only scratched the surface of the riches of His grace, I do not recognise Furticks message as balanced and biblical. Finally, you make the extremely serious accusation that I have caused disunity in the body of Christ by calling Matt Chandler a false teacher and by comparing him with Scott McKenna; both accusations are totally false and completely unacceptable. Some are good, some are bad. In 1989, after some criticism, he defended his views in a plenary session of the annual convention of the Independent Fundamental Churches of America (IFCA). [18] Furthermore, he believes that we are obliged to render full submission to scripture above all else and that "[t]o mishandle the Word of God is to misrepresent the One who wrote it. 2023 The Christian Broadcasting Network, Inc., A nonprofit 501 (c)(3) Charitable Organization. Im not rich at all but Im also not jealous of someone who has far more people and more money. How John MacArthur loves the Bible but not his neighbor. "[23][24], In 1983, MacArthur first published his belief in the doctrine of "incarnational sonship." Whatever its founding intentions, we conclude that the Proclamation Trust is now a compromised organisation committed to the flawed teachings and practices of New Calvinism. John Fullerton MacArthur Jr. (born June 19, 1939) is an American Protestant pastor and author known for his internationally syndicated Christian teaching radio and television program Grace to You. The preachers admission came amid news that Grace Community Church in Sun Valleyreceived an $800,000 settlement from Los Angeles County after defying pandemic-induced health orders. And if you want to learn of the dangers of this movement I would recommend that you read The New Calvinists: Changing The Gospel by E S Williams. Furtick preaches a different gospel. Perhaps then a mature and open discussion could then take place. In your second post you again make the false claim that I set Dallas against Chandler. And this is my prayerful response (after sleeping on it!) If you were not speaking about Chandler then why write it here? Sadly The Lord will deal with him, and it will be very painful for him and his family. In fact it was so bad most people assumed it was just mockers cutting and pasting to make it look ridiculous yet it turns out that this was Elevation Churches own video and it was liked by Furtick! Either way the theory that a pastor should be poor is ignorant. [25], MacArthur has stated that he opposes both "male chauvinist and feminist views. We welcome another new contributor, Edward Benitez, as he biblically critiques a sermon given by Steven Furtick. Ironically tu quoque was what you were using about Chandler (as well as ad hom). David, you try very hard to always get the last word and I knew that the question you asked was loaded. PS Im a huge Chandler fan over here. [52], Grace Community Church, Sun Valley, California, Independent Fundamental Churches of America, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, "Theology and Ministry: An Interview with John MacArthur", "1998 Gold Medallion Book Awards Winners", "Voice of Calvary Legacy - The Legacy - Page 3", "When should a Christian fight for his country? Legal Statement. I have a suspicion that much of the health and wealth teaching which is plaguing much of the church in Africa, Asia and South America is primarily an export from the US, with perhaps a little help from Europe, (all in the name of spreading the gospel). (I always smile when you deploy the tu quoque argument and even, on this occasion, ego quoque It never occurs to me for a second to not fulfill it. 4) Yes my point about the megachurches was that they were not per se bad. But we must not quote our own books in sermons as far as possible! (At this point I am of course aware of the same danger for myself and it certainly does act as a warning to me! This submission to Jesus as Lord when converting to faith in Jesus Christ became known to Arminians as the Lordship salvation controversy in the 1980s. John MacArthur, senior pastor of Grace Community Church in Los Angeles and founder of his ministry Grace to You, was one of the reported 4,000 pastors who preached last Sunday against. Regards. [6] During a 1979 interview, Pastor MacArthur stated he is "distantly related to General Douglas MacArthur." You are aware of them as you demonstrated when writing about Mr Furtick. Opinion Mark Wingfield. [48][49], In February 2023 Christianity Today[50] published multiple instances of MacArthur's Grace Community church advising woman to stay with sexually and physically abusive husbands. It was interesting and revealing to hear about their work. Excellent post David. Really? Your replies to G White were disgraceful and totally unwarranted, particularly in light of the respectful way he/she raised a perfectly justifiable concern. It is indeed a blessto have a fellowship with God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit and indeed the Lord reigns. As for Southern Baptists liking Donald Trump, its almost as bad as you liking Scottish Nationalism. As it happens I was sent this video by someone who was praising it.it is more like a political rally (complete with clapping) than a Christian sermon the misuse of Scripture about borders is bad enough but the approving citation of Donald Trump Is it time to start bombing the you know what out of ISIS (that is a biblical response) was appalling. These views raised controversy within American evangelicalism and were challenged in print by non-lordship dispensationalist theologians Charles Ryrie and Zane C. Hodges, who argued that MacArthur's ministry was teaching a form of works-based salvation. The Church of England's compromise on same-sex relationships is disastrous for everyone. 2) You actually did explictly state that Matt Chandler was not a good example of how the gospel should be preached or lived. It happens. I think putting Chandler in the same category as Furtick is disgraceful and totally unwarranted and thus simply ask G White to justify that. "[18], MacArthur is a cessationist, holding that the "sign gifts" (such as prophecy) described in the Bible were temporarily granted to the apostles to authenticate the origin and truth of the scriptures, and that at the close of the Apostolic Age these gifts had served their purpose and ceased to be granted. 2. Period. I have nothing to be jealous of as regards Furtick. John MacArthur and the folks from Grace to You (GTY) have done the body of Christ a great service by continually warning Christianity against the growing dangers within the Charismatic movement. Marantha! Surely there are members in the congregations of the mega churches who intend to be sincere, and big doesnt have to be bad. Whether this ministry attracted 2 or 2 million is irrelevant the ministry is identified simply by its content as false and shunned. 3) Yes you did engage in gossip writing about a child sex scandal without context.you may not see it as such. And also trying to get to know what God says in His Word and please stop shouting at those you know nothing about. So First Dallas Baptist is an acceptable mega church but the Village church isnt? I would urge you to reread the comments by G White and your own responses to them before prayerfully replying. Simply not true. He has been the pastor-teacher of Grace . John MacArthur is the pastor-teacher of Grace Community Church, as well as an author, conference speaker, chancellor of The Master's University and Seminary, and featured teacher with the Grace to You media ministry. Jenna . See what mine own hands have wrought. It can only harm true Gospel work, and promote worldliness in the churches. And if you want classic legalism try this Truly converted young believers have an inborn instinct to turn away from their previous worldly music and dress styles. And this from a Scottish leader of an American megachurch wonderful stuff again , Pastor, Writer, Debater, Blogger, Scot, Dundonian, married to Annabel.with three grown up children and two grandchildren.View all posts by theweeflea. I'm a bank robber."[41]. All I would say is that there was no irrational, ranting, preaching anywhere in it. Truth in love. ON the other hand you seem to be very quick to hand out your tongue lashing arrogance and childishness. Yes, some of it is biblical and Furtick is a good communicator, amusing, connected etc.but a great deal appears to pay only passing lip service to the Bible. [4], The grandson of Canadian Anglican minister Harry MacArthur (died 1950) and son of Baptist radio preacher Jack MacArthur (born in Calgary, Canada)[5] and Irene Dockendorf, MacArthur was born in Los Angeles. I dont know enough to say anything about the worship, church structure and other ministries of the church, so I wont. In October 2013, his church hosted a conference called "Strange Fire" to mark the launch of a book of the same name. And what is your position, from Scripture, on the subject? This is a really long post that deals almost exclusively, unfortunately, with secondary issues (church size, communications gifts, me focus, salary, wealth, size of house, and more) and thereby obscures the central and clarifying point of Furticks ministry. [46][47] He stated that there was a deadlier virus killing peoplethe virus of sinleading many to eternal death, in contrast to physical death. I live maybe two hours from the Village and have visited twice. [13] In 1985, MacArthur was made President of Los Angeles Baptist College, now The Master's University, a four-year Christian liberal-arts college. Staff Pastor Tom Patton delivered the sermon in MacArthurs stead, telling churchgoers the senior minister was resting., ***As the number of voices facing big-tech censorship continues to grow, please sign up forFaithwires daily newsletterand download theCBN News app, to stay up-to-date with the latest news from a distinctly Christian perspective.***. or redistributed. Thats why we view every news story through the lens of faith. yes it was dishonest of you to misrepresent my position as some pastors are untouchable. 23,12! Eventually, all lawsuits were settled out of court with the County of Los Angeles and the State of California paying $400,000 each to Grace Community Church. 4) Your last post just uses ad hom and tries to dodge justifying your original statement about Chandler by attacking me and what I have said, whilst giving not one concrete example. To ignore its message is to snub that which the Holy Spirit inspired. New Artificial Intelligence Program ChatGPT Generates Concern: A Liberal Bias? I Gotta Reply This Is So Pathetic, First Of All As A Leader In Christ Steven Furtrick Is A Good Pastor And If You Really Heard His Message ,He Is A Man Of God And He Only Speaks The Truth You That Are Workers Of Iniquity Be Sure That Youre Sins Will Find You Out Second Of All How In The Hell You Gonna Sit Here And Judge A Man Of God ..I Believe God Called This Man To Build His ( God) House And Get The population Ready For Whats About To ComeAnd Its Far More Then Noah And A Flood.If There Were Many Pastors Like Steven Furtrick In This World There Wouldnt Be So Much Hate And Crime And Killing Drugs Etc News People Why Dont You Start Digging In The People That Are Really committing crimes Stop Digging In Something You Know Nothing About Cause If You Really Knew How God Works .
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