Though no one knows for sure when either of these groups existed, it is clear from the Quran that the Aad were successors to the people of Noah. And perhaps, just like the Aad before them, they forgot the faith of Tawheed practiced by their ancestors and slipped into worhsiping idols. of 'Ad and Thamud by name. [23] The ninth-century Muslim scholar Ibn Sad believed that the Thamud were the Nabateans. They mainly settled in the Hauran region and spread to modern Lebanon, Palestine and Jordan. Also, the Prophet () did in fact mention the dwellings in a separate hadith. Jumping the gun, 2. They lived in houses carved into the surface of the earth. Thamd, li, al-ijr, Gods She-camel, Arabia and the Arabs by Robert Hoyland, Professor of Late Antique and Early Islamic Middle Eastern History at New York Universitys Institute for the Study of the Ancient World, pg 68. There are countless artists, pundits, and celebrities who mock Allah, His Messenger (pbuh), and Islam. Such an amazing thing was supposed to be their sign. Also bonus when you say there buildings were not on the surface what do you mean do you mean the outside was gone but you could see the inside like a cave do you mean that, 15. The Prophet ()s custom was always to point out to his Companions the geographical locations and landmarks connected with previous Divine Envoys. On the first day, their skin would turn yellow; on the second day, red; and on the final day of destruction, black. Also if it is in the present it makes it sound there buildings were like brand new like not destroyed etc, This is it then Im done but thank you very much for answering my questions jazzakkallah, 3. The Quran on the Cerebrum: _ Qur'an and Science. In other words either the evidence no longer exists (no problem) or Thamudic dwellings in North West Arabia are yet to be discovered. They used to carve in the past and their present structure is not described in this Ayah. They very well could be the predecessors of the Edomites as they lived around the same area, and according to the Bible, they practiced the tradition of carving dwellings into the rocks. [7][8] In a somewhat muddled passage, Pliny the Elder, a Roman historian of the first century CE, appears to locate the Thamd at the unidentified inland town of "Baclanaza". Marcus Aurelius Anthoninus and Lucius Aurelius Verus, who are the conquerors of the Armenians. Assalamualaikum what do u think of the carbon dating and the presence of wells? [78] Their Messengers came to them with Clear Signs. The tribe refused to heed him, saying that Salih was merely a mortal, and demanded a sign from God. [3] As the "Ta-mu-di", the peoples are mentioned together with the Ephah, the "Ibadidi", and the "Marsimani" as part of "the distant desert-dwelling Arabs who knew neither overseers nor officials and had not brought their tribute to any king". Al-ijr is now a vast plain, interspersed with hills into which what looks from the outside like houses or tombs have been carved. I believe neither are in error. But as is clear from the above discussion, Thamud were thriving as late as maybe the 4th century AD, while the people of Aad have left their final trails, only a few centuries before that. Arab genealogical tradition. 41.13-18 Kathir - Ibn Al Kathir. The structures were not built by the Thamud but by the Nabateans. and the pride of your heart have deceived you, They are mentioned in the Quran as examples of civilizations that Allah had destroyed because of their sins and as signs of the fleeting nature of the worldly power. An archeologist studying Mount Rushmore 2000 years after the inscriptions may well deduce that the statues of Mount Rushmore were made by Latin Americans and even guess the date incorrectly. The Edomites were proud of their wealth and riches, which they had by robberies amassed together; and of their military skill and courage, and of their friends and allies; and especially of their fortresses and fastnesses, both natural and artificial; and therefore thought themselves secure, and that no enemy could come at them to hurt them, and this deceived them: thou that dwellest in the clefts of the rock; But as well see below, archaeological and literary records place them firmly in Northern Arabia/Jordan, well after the death of Jesus (33 AD). [7] Today, all these areas are located in the Arab world with the exception of Khuzestan. One Who missed the Friday Prayer should pray Zuhr: Moving the Finger in Tashahhud : Fatwa Collection_ 40 short hadiths filled with wisdom. It is not specific to the 2 Arab tribes. These prefixes ignored in the alphabetical ordering: Al, Banu. They did worship Allah, which Ill prove soon. Archaeological Site of Al-Hijr (Madin Slih), Forty Hadith al-Nawawi in English and Arabic, Al-Aqidah al-Tahawiyyah in English and Arabic, Forty Hadith on Purification of the Heart. Replying by always staying what is the problem or what is the issue seems to have a rebuking or shaming tone that appears very harsh to the questioner. Qur'an and Hadith on Thamud and their Dwellings Abu Rahma / March 22, 2016 It is argued that the Qur'an and the Prophet () made an error in history and facts [1]. these 2 ayat that have been repeated elsewhere are a beautiful reminder of the lessons to be learned and ibra from the civilizations that have long gone and their signs remain for those that follow and there are many such examples of these very beautiful and instructive verses. There was a long period of royal authority and sedentary culture. It seems we gonna have some proper analysis on this case, and Allah (as) knows best! Overall, in my opinion the response could/should be revised in light of some of the points mentioned here. [12] The temple inscriptions (in Ancient Greek and Nabataean Aramaic) state that it was constructed by a priest named dt of the "Thamd of Robath" for lh, apparently the patron deity of the tribe, with the Roman government's support. [2] We do not know where they went, but they carried on the practice of stone carvings in the mountains. Nigel Groom said that Sargon II recorded his subjugations of the tribe of Tamud in 715 BCE, that Agatharchides refers to the land of the Thamoudenian Arabs, Diodorus Sicilus refers to the Thamudeni, Pliny speaks of the Tamudaei, Ptolemy mentioned the Thamudiatea and also the Thamydeni and a Nabatean inscription dated to 166-169 CE refers to the nation or federation of the Thamudeans.[3][4]. Obviously, the Thamud were much more advanced technologically than the Aad. Other later Arab migrations in Iran include the mostly cross Gulf migrations of Arabs into Hormozgan and Fars provinces from modern day eastern Saudi Arabia and other Gulf States, post 16th century. Abdullah ibn Umar, may Allah be pleased with him, reported: . The Arabs on the Iranian side of the Gulf tend to speak a dialect much closer to Gulf Arabic opposed to the Khuzestani Arabic which is closer to Iraqi Arabic. Aad are mentioned as another Arabian tribe destroyed by God for rejecting their Prophet Hud. They were 6 meters tall! And indeed we do, but with an unexpected twist! Im trying to understand the arabic like why do some arabic words have al before some words when we dont use them like in verse 2:36 (But Satan caused both of them to deflect from obeying Our command by tempting them to the tree and brought them out of the state they were in, and We said: Get down all of you; henceforth, each of you is an enemy of the other,50 and on earth you shall have your abode and your livelihood for an appointed time.) in this verse in arabic it says al Shatan why doesnt just say satan instead of if translated the satan because that would sound weird And perhaps, using the knowledge, culture, and technology from the Aad, they established a new society. According to the Quran, they were hit by a blast that destroyed them. We find ruins of so many past civilisations such as Indus Valley (Mohenjodaro, Harappa), Sodom, and so on. The fact that he showed them the well of the she-camel and confirmed the area as geographically related to Thamd but made no comment on the tombs shows that he knew they were unrelated to any previous Prophet. Thus, Nabataeans later reused the rocks and made them to graves. The hadiths show that there were wells present in that particular spot attributed to the Thamud. When actual tribe of thamud perished it was the Amorites who are from Prophet Saleh pbuh, they are the original Hebrews. As for the conclusion that Ashab al-Hijr were not Thamud, I think this is rather unwarranted. The Thamud ( Arabic: , romanized : amd) were an ancient Arabian tribe or tribal confederation [1] that occupied the northwestern Arabian peninsula between the late-eighth century BCE, when they are attested in Assyrian sources, and the fifth century CE, when they served as Roman auxiliaries. The Quran mentions the Thamud as an example of an ancient polytheistic people who were destroyed by God for their sins. Here our discussion lies around the location of the thamud people and the houses/tombs they carved out of the stones and mountains. In the worst cases, they may even go so far as to challenge Allah. This is what the Sovereign LORD says about Edom The leftover of Ad were taken and built over by Thamud. Aben Ezra thinks that caph, the note of similitude, is wanting; and that the sense is, thou thoughtest that Mount Seir could secure thee, as they that dwell in the clefts of a rock: whose habitation [is] high; upon high rocks and mountains, such as Mount Seir was, where Esau dwelt, and his posterity after, him. I dont understand this question and how it is relevant to our topic at hand. After the given time was over, an earthquake shook the land violently and destroyed the people of Thamud in one cry. Asking the deceased for supplications or intercession? These people were very wealthy and wielded great power. Nabateans replaced them and built on them/around them . 2. What? However, they worshiped other deities along with Allah. Have not invested any considerable time investigating the actual archeological claims. If we try to discuss the lineage of the Arabs well be here forever. If we say Allah sent Nabateans a Messenger, then we would have to say that Allah sent them a Messenger WAY back (since there were no Prophets or Messengers between Isa and Muhammad (sall Allahu alayhim wa sallam) and only destroy them hundreds of years later. The buildings of Thamud may or may not have remained but the well did exist then By declining the noun Thamud or not, it means the region or the tribe. 27:52 is in present tense. Rise, let us go against her for battle They were built not before the time of Musa ( ), but during the first century BC and the first century CE. After the destruction of Ad, Thamud succeeded them in power and grandeur. Before the destruction came to them, Hud and his small group of followers escaped the area and were spared the punishment. Chaldeans formed when actual tribe of thamud perished so you are not correct . They are often discussed when Allah is directing our attention to people who disobeyed Him and were punished as a result. Your email address will not be published. Perhaps they wandered through the Arabian Peninsula for some time looking for a new home. Or symbolic its talking about the left more of a legacy in there story. A number of them branched out, which later became independent tribes (sub-tribes). "[22] The stone constructions of Hegra are actually mostly from the Nabataean period, especially the first century CE. Follow the great majority of Muslims today? The Bible Ala-Maududi. The Rashaida of Sudan and Eritrea live in close proximity with the Beja people. Let us know if you have suggestions to improve this article (requires login). Hence, they had become very rich. The general consensus among 14th-century Arab genealogists is that Arabs are of three kinds: The Hawazin tribe and the Quraysh tribe are considered Adnani Arabs. Then do you see any remains?Chapter 69, Verses 6 8. Allah sent the Prophet Hud to give the Aad the message of Islam. But it was hamstrung and eventually killed by nine people of Thamud, who then attempted but failed to kill Salih himself. The Quran states regarding them: , And to the Thamud [We sent] their brother Salih. But given the possibility that these ruins could have once been created, either completely or partially, by the Thamud and taken later by the Edomites in Petra and then the Nabateans, who inscribed graffiti on themtheir inscriptions are exactly thator even carved out recesses inside of them, there isnt an unsurmountable problem. So you could see the people therein fallen as if they were hollow trunks of palm trees. I hope they remove whatever articles they have written on this topic, as its beyond question that the Quran did not make an error on this topic, given that the Bible makes similar claims, and given that we know almost nothing about the Nabateans, and that the majority of the structures85 percent in Petra, and a major portion in Median Salehare still hidden under ground. We must look at them, ponder over the signs of Allah and take heed. Yes both Ad and thamud left dwelling places as opposed to some other Nations mentioned in the Quran but again the reference is generic to many other Nations not mentioned in the book that came to other parts of the world etc. These people incurred the wrath of God and were destroyed. By not on the surface, I mean that they did not exist like a proper city or open to any passer by and were deep inside some unvisited territory. Under the Umayyad Caliphate, Arabic became the official language in Egypt rather than Coptic or Greek. So away with Thamud! This poses problematic. They trace their lineage to Abbas, uncle of the Islamic prophet Muhammad. A Warning to the Disbelievers and a Reminder of the Story of `Ad and Thamud. So they used to carve and not they still carve. [5] In 1846, many Arab Rashaida migrated from Hejaz in present-day Saudi Arabia into what is now Eritrea and north-east Sudan after tribal warfare had broken out in their homeland. Seeking blessings from relics of the righteous? God knows best. (9:70) Have they not heard the accounts of those who came before them [77] - of the people of Noah and 'Ad and Thamud, and the people of Abraham and the dwellers of Madyan (Midian), and the cities that were overturned? Can it be said that the Thamud made wells and their successors i.e. This is an article I recently wrote. Allah says: `Say, O Muhammad, to these idolators who disbelieve in the message of truth that you have brought: If you turn away from that which I have brought to you from Allah, then I warn you of the punishment of Allah like the . [4] This entire passage has been sent by Sharif. It is argued that the Quran and the Prophet () made an error in history and facts[1]. But the inscriptions in Lihyanite script and some recently discovered archaeological vestiges are evidence for human settlementas early as the 3rd or 2nd century BCE. So, in summary, The Quran makes a claim that in a particular time in history, a people known as Thamud built structures on the hills and mountains. The account presented in Surah an-Naml also mentions nine evil people of Thamud who are immediately responsible for God's punishment of their people[Quran27:4851] in a narrative reminiscent of Jewish descriptions of the demise of Sodom. Here is how their argument goes: The Quran describes prophet called Salih ( ), who lived in the Thamud tribe. As we know, he gave the nations some period until the determined day of punishment. Prophet Muhammad () descended from Ismail ( ), http://www.imgrum.org/media/1483126817820752683_724804649, http://saudi-archaeology.com/sites/madain-saleh/, The blind companion and killing of the concubine, Islamic identity of Rm (Rome) and Romans II, The Benefits of the Presence of Ambiguous Verses in the Quran, Islamic Stance on Astrology and its related Sciences. According to Saudi-archeology website, an academic website aimed at archiving the rock images and providing archeological information on them, the structure may have been used for holding sacred feasts. We have a good perspective of the size of these supposed tombs in this picture, as the faade has been destroyed. The story of Miraj- Isra _ Suhih al Bukhari, Can you brush your teeth in Ramadan? Several broken columns in the ruins of Wadi Ramm have been interpreted as the lofty pillars associated with Iram in the Quran. If anyone has evidence of at least one dead body having been found in the recesses, Im open to change my mind. Although the Thamud probably originated in southern Arabia, a large group apparently moved northward at an early date, traditionally settling on the slopes of Mount Athlab. 4. - _ taf . This implies that the carvings in Madain Saleh (which in fact date to the first century CE) are not from the Thamudians, but rather their successors many centuries later in the same area. [11] An important exception is a temple at al-Ruwfa in northwestern Saudi Arabia, built by the Thamd themselves in the 160s CE. Now we dont see the remains of Nuhs AS people now do we? The Bible makes a claim that a particular time in history, a people who lived in in the kingdom of EdomEdomites predate the Nabateans or the current historically accepted date of the structures carved from the mountainscarved out structures in the hills and mountains. The points raised by alfinlandi are very reasonable to counter the points of the article. Regardless, the thamud tribes structures remained for people to see according to Quran. Expel Jews and Christians from Arabian Peninsula? The shout, which is an extremely loud sound, might have caused the earthquake, according to certain scholars. There existed a nation called the Edomites. It is generic for multitude of civilizations Ptolemy, who lived in the second century, wrote that the "Thamuditai" tribe inhabited the Red Sea coastline, and that the "Thamoudenoi" tribe lived in inland northwestern Arabiaeither or both may be references to the Thamdwhile his contemporary Uranius believed that the Thamd neighbored the Nabateans. They wanted to prove that (scientifically, of course) that Salih was not telling the truth. Both. This is the temple that was built by the tribal unit of Thamud, the leaders of their unit, so that it might be established by their hands and be their place of veneration for ever7. JazakAllah, Thats fine I know that is just the way some people talk I talk to the point because Im using a mobile so I have to keep as short as possible my problem with the verse was normally when it says travel the land or as such its talking about nations close and the nations close to the Arabs were ad and thamud so some say that this verse is saying the quran thinks these buildings were built by thamud but we know they were built by the nabtions not thamud but we know the quran is not wrong so how do we explain that verse jazzakkallah because it makes it sound like that is this verse speaking in the present tense or past like tilka arabic and lam arabic jazzakkallah thanks for the help, Its like the same problem with 40:21 40:82 it sounds like thamud and pointing to these tombs etc but we know it cant be so how do we explain this as well jazzakkallah, And 27:52 because people say this sounds like it as well the kawatan arabic means empty so it sounds like it saying these tombs as well but it is mainly 28:58 I have the problem with jazzakkallah. These Thamud built gigantic castles, hundreds of feet high, and they literally carved them right into the sides of mountains. [10], Arab Islamic sources state that the Thamud were an early Arab tribe that had gone extinct in ancient days. in general: W. Caskel, amharat an-Nasab, das genealogische Werk des Him Ibn Muammad al-Kalb, Leiden 1966. harvnb error: no target: CITEREFElling2013 (. Dealing with faith-related doubts in Islam. There has come to you clear evidence from your Lord. [19], To the Thamd, We sent their brother, li. Thus, from the aforementioned verses we have gleaned the following: 1. Man, you must be crazy. About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features Press Copyright Contact us Creators . We hardly know anything about the Nabateans aside of their nomadic life-style, which is not consonant with building these incredible structures. Or there fallen down relics are still better than you houses now 3. or there fallen down relics show they are/were better than you 4. [3] Nigel Groom, Frankincense and Myrrh, A Study of the Arabian Incense Trade, Longman, London and New York; Librairie du Liban, Beirut, 1981, p. 189, pg. Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in: You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. [34][35] Tribalism is a significant characteristic of Arab population in Khuzestan.[36]. Pickthall And (the tribes of) A'ad and Thamud! JazakAllah. Compared to modern civilizations of this time that we live in, these were still archaic and that is just sign of the times but compared to those who came after them in the lands, these destroyed civilizations were e definitely stronger. The Edomites can also be a separate nation and through the passage time they shared history, tradition, and custom with the remnants of the Thamud. Before sending the punishment on them, Allah sent two prophets to these nations. When Salih began to preach monotheism, the Thamud demanded that he prove his prophethood by bringing forth a pregnant camel from solid rock. The Aad before them were pretty decent architects and built some fairly magnificent castles. When God permitted the prophet to do this, some of the tribesmen followed Salih, while many powerful leaders continued to oppose him. As Dost aptly observes, thedescription [of Aad and Thamud] in the Qurn is the sum of historical memory and topographical observations modeled on the familiar configuration of perished peoples, (This is part of series on Arabia. There is no special connection between these scripts and the tribe of Thamud. They were able to build great structures and buildings, They had children to carry on their progeny. They didnt bluntly reject Salih like the Aad did to Hud. Required fields are marked *. Its almost impossible to know for certain that the many tombs with Nabatean inscriptions are indeed constructed by them, especially when we know that only 15% of the area in Petra has been excavated and examined. The earliest abundant references for Thamud in our literary sources are in relation to the Nabataean empire a large Arab kingdom encompassing parts of modern Syria, Jordan, Saudi Arabia (including the Hejaz, the area containing Mecca and Medina) and even parts of Sinai. It must also be kept in mind that not all of the structures have been found as of yet. The Thamd are infrequently mentioned in contemporary indigenous Arabian sources, although two Safaitic inscriptions carved some time between the first century BCE and the fourth century CE refer to "the year of the war between Gm and the tribe of Thamd [snt rb gm l md]". Thus, at the end, the people of al-Hijr are mentioned. The Middle verse in chapter (11) of the New Testament says:" He that hath ears to hear, let him hear." The Middle verse in chapter (11) of the . Also sorry with wadi alQura where is that place because you mention in your article that is the place and it is different but where is it in saudia Arabia like how far from madain saleh and where is it near because they dont show it on the maps, 4. Their responses, while snarky, were fairly simple. 5. Thamd, in ancient Arabia, tribe or group of tribes known to be extant from the 8th century bce to the 5th century ce. A report in the hadith collection of Bukhari makes this connection between Thamud and al-Hijr quite explicit. Of course there are lessons to be taken from the stories of these two nations. SSH and Password-less communication using SSH, Basics of Cryptography and Digital Signature, The Quranic tribes of 'Aad and Thamud - a historical perspective, Lenin khuda ke huzoor mein: A simplified commentary, Q 7:74 mentions Thamud as building houses out of mountains, while Q 54:31 confirms that they were destroyed by a shriek. They are of Arab origin, but now of mixed blood mostly with Nilo-Saharans and Nubians. The Thamud are mentioned in contemporary Mesopotamian, Classical, and Arabian sources, including in inscriptions in a temple erected in the 160s for the god lh, by the Thamud themselves. Well, next to nothing. http://saudi-archaeology.com/sites/madain-saleh/. [27], This article is about the ancient Arabian tribe. They mixed with the people of Qahtan and descendants of Prophet Abraham pbuh. You may look at any tafsir, these Ayaat are general and simply refer to destroyed civilisations which may be Indus Valley (Mohenjodaro, Harappa), Sodom, and Pompeii among many others. Not every opinion that he held was necessarily a divine revelation. Both tribes are of great reputed antiquity and, according to traditional Arab genealogists, are two of the four ba 'ida, or extinct tribes. Though one could argue that they knew of Salih and hence Allah could hold them responsible, but this is speculation. What is the issue here? Aad and Thamud are two of several communities described in the Quran as recipients of Gods chosen prophets and being utterly destroyed for rejecting them. [2] The Thamud are not specially connected to the Thamudic scripts, an aggregate term for understudied writing systems of Ancient Arabia. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); The Quranic tribes of Aad and Thamud a historical perspective. I guess it can be said that the Nabataeans can be considered one of the nations succeeding the people of Thamud. The earliest Arab tribes emerged from Bedouins. Its also implausible that a people who would be at the helm of such epic architectural and engineering achievements would not even make mention of it, or at least keep a record of it. The Thamud were the successors of the Aad. Traditionally, both the prophets Hud and Saleh and by implication, their respective communities Aad andThamud, are thought to have existed generations before Abraham, placing them well before 1300 BC (at the very least1). Meaning ibn kathir thought these tombs were built by thamud as well but got it wrong, I agree also Im of the opion the hadith witch says dont enter the dwellings I think the prophet said dont enter the lands not houses because there are only 4 hadith witch mention that and 3 of them doesnt have the arabic word for dwelling there any way thats why dwelling is in brackets also the one hadith what does mention dwelling in arabic misken can mean land any way because it is used in the quran and there are some places it is translated as dwelling places not literally houses so Im of the opion the prophet was saying dont enter the land and even if it did mean houses it could be that there were a few bricks in the valley plain there and that is what he meant because if it was the same area then that is why some people think the prophet meant the nabateans buildings jazzakkallah also in verse 40:21 out of the 8 theorys I have put down witch one do you think is the right one what does atharan mean to you jazzakkallah because if it means remains then it just means there were just a bit of large bricks broken pillars there witch just shows they were better than the Arabs jazzakkallah what could be what the prophet meant dont enter the fallen down houses what ever left of there builds like a few large bricks and broken pillars, Also those 4 hadith dont mention thamud by name in just says the land of al hijr or the people of al hijr or region of al hijr but never thamud but yes I agree with the well but there are Wells all over the region of al hijr like al ula and such also al hijr might be anywhere with a rocky area like yemon or jordan also there is a place in oman called al hijr so could be anywhere like yemon also there is a place called thamud in yemon near where ad lived near hadramawt so you see what I mean could be there, Assalam alikum I was just wondering how do we explain 28:58 witch nation is it talking about and is it talking in past or present tense because this verse sounds like its talking about thamud those buildings witch were built by nabtions. Doesnt 14:45 talk about there dwellings were standing tall untouched, If you could get back to me that would be great jazzakkallah, 14. Like does 89:9 mean what thamud used too do like example pharoh killed people on stakes or does it mean what they have done like example the pyramids. The sentence, This structure is not only large enough and a couple more contained links. However, there survived long after that, people who still called themselves Thamd. The Targum is,thou art like to an eagle that dwells in the clefts of the rock, whose habitation is in a high place;this they were proud of, thinking themselves safe, which deceived them; hence it follows: that saith in his heart, who shall bring me down to the ground? How archeologists date the tombs and other structures is primarily based on the inscriptions found in them. In my opinion this is an argument that Muslims have to tackle thoroughly due to its ease of presentation by non-Muslims and (hypothetical) explanatory power. 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